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NTT20's avatar

A slightly longer response, from

Ali:

It’s true, I think, that it sometimes looks and feels ‘impotent’ partly because it allows opposition teams to get into their shape and put a lot of bodies between the ball and the goal which leads to lots of shots being blocked and/or taken under a lot of pressure rather than ‘clear shots’ at goal. I think fan get as annoyed about squandered chances than they do a lack of chance creation/shots, which to me is a much greater crime!

It’s also worth pointing out that the high possession approach is as much about defending as it is about attacking, but that gets ignore because people don’t consider the defensive impact that controlling the ball/territory has, they mainly see playing style as an attacking function.

You’ve seen yourself how much Birmingham are suffocating teams. It’s true that the goals conceded numbers isn’t incredible right now, but surely you see that outside of SPs and Peacock Farrell howlers, teams are finding it almost impossible to create chances against Birmingham. In my opinion that’s a consequence of the approach, not because Birmingham’s individual defenders are playing out their skin. If Birmingham played with greater speed and ‘chaos’, they would increase the chances of being caught out defensively.

I do think it’s also worth pointing out that 5 of the top 7 Champ teams for possession are in the top 6 for xG. In L1, 5 of the top 7 teams for possession are in the top 6 for xG. In L2, 4 of the top 7 for possession are in the top 7 for xG. I don’t think it is really true to suggest this sort of football produces ‘so little in the final third’.

I don’t think high possession play is a necessity but I do think the discourse around it sometimes misses key aspects. At the same time, if fans really hate a certain style and find it boring, I do think it can be problematic for managers to ignore those feelings - having buy in (or not) from fans is important!

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David K's avatar

I'd like to read something on TSW and its disciples. Huge amounts of possession but low non penalty XG sounds familiar to this Birmingham supporter. Why is this sort of football producing so little in the final third (there's that word again!)?

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